Saturday 15 February 2014

Interview with Teemu: the society



Past days have been hectic and full of interviews, as were leaving Maputo on Monday and have little time left to gather information here.

On Tuesday we interviewed Teemu Seppälä, who is a senior expert in the Ministry of Science and Technology and is working in the STIFIMO project, with a mission to build an innovation ecosystem between the universities, the private sector and the public sector. They have been organizing for example a nationwide business plan competition, workshops, innovation and coworking spaces (like Design Factory or Startup Sauna at Aalto University) and hackathons. The Chamanculo hackathon they organized with us is the fourth one and their first community involving case. Their hackathon group has over 500 members already.

Teemu has been doing business in over 40 countries, so we were interested in how Mozambique in his opinion functions in relation to other counties. Teemu said that he finds Mozambique the most corrupted country in the world and gave several examples of unsuccessful international projects where the money had not gone where it was supposed to go. According to him many development cooperation projects with Mozambique have in fact been lately cancelled due to the problems with the use of the given funds. He also said that in no other country he had encountered such a lack of respect from the government. He did admit though that the situation is now better as he has gained some trust, and named the lack of trust another big issue. He said that the concept of responsibility doesn’t exist here – nobody is taking it but not really expecting anyone else to take it either. There is also a lack of leadership and knowledge.

In Mozambique politics and governance can no longer be separated, and the police, army and officials are all part of Frelimo. Frelimo used to be a communist party, but nowadays Mozambique is tightly government-led capitalistic country. The society is very authoritarian, and according to Teemu the president tells his ministers what to do, who in turn tell the parliament what to do. All the ministries are quite isolated, and don’t cooperate or know of each other very well. 

The income gap between the rich and the poor is all the time growing in Mozambique. There is practically no middle class, some people are just a bit less poor than others. The price level of the country is quite insane compared to most people’s income. The apartments in the city cost in some places as much as in Helsinki and in other places as much as in Manhattan. Even Chamanculo is not a cheap place to live if you don’t own the land – apparently there are companies that buy people’s houses and land and then rent it back to them. Most of the food is imported from South-Africa, and the local agriculture is suffering. In industrial scale there are only few things like sugar, bananas and nuts produced. The importing of food is a very good business for Frelimo. The prices of the foods at the supermarket are similar to Finland, and for example milk and cheese cost a lot more here than in Finland. Still the minimum wage here is 50 euros a month, and a doctor earns about 350€ per month. Everybody has multiple jobs, so they can’t really focus on anything. For example teachers don’t really have time to do their job well. For primary school teachers don’t even have an incentive to do their job well, as they usually also after school give extra support lessons  that need to be paid for.

Teemu also pointed out something that we have also noticed: people live very strongly in the present moment and don’t think about the future. This is very evident when discussing with people. They live like they could die any day. One example is that they cannot even by more phone credit than 20 meticals (50 cents) at once because they’ll use it up straight away if they get more, even though getting more at once is a lot better deal.

Teemu still believed that changes can happen and that for example ASSCODECHA could very well succeed in making some small changes in the Chamanculo situation through lobbying.  The situation with Chamanculo is actually quite interesting, as almost every politician has lived there or has close connections there – for example the current president and many ministers are from Chamanculo. He believed in leading by example. He suggested that in our project we will think about some small practical solutions that people can make themselves and make a difference in their everyday life. He didn’t believe that people would be ready to pay for practically anything but food and water.

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